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Indiana residents stand up

sephiroth7261sephiroth7261 Posts: 13Member
edited July 2016 in Vaping Regulation Updates
I was trying to put my order in v2.com like normal and I couldn't complete it yesterday so I called customer service and they said our state banned online sales! Idk about you guys but no one around me sells v2 and I'm tired of them taking our rights! I have a simple petition but if anyone can word it better feel free and I'll sign yours otherwise please spread this and get it signed... Maybe v2 will get involved since they'll lose a lot of business?

*Edit, the law isn't really an online ban, more like insane restrictions that only allowed 6 companies to sell e liquid in Indiana.

more info: http://www.vapor4life.com/blog/indiana-ruining-everything-vapers/

https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/senate/539#digest-heading

https://wh.gov/iFQiq

Comments

  • sephiroth7261sephiroth7261 Posts: 13Member
    edited July 2016
    ^ This is in addition to Indiana creating new outrageous laws that shut a lot of shops down and created a monopoly. Also putting us in with smokers so we can't use vapor in a lot of places now.

    http://indyvaporshop.com/lawsuit-against-the-state-of-indiana-filed/
  • sephiroth7261sephiroth7261 Posts: 13Member
    I guess the petition is somewhat useless but we need to get ahold of our representatives and drive them crazy... The new laws are ridiculous...
  • SelcienSelcien Posts: 44Member
    edited July 2016
    Well ain't life grand. Found out about V2 on one Friday, banned from using their site the very next Friday.

    According to the store locator I may have three within three miles of me. Naturally they're stores that I never go to, they may or may not still have stock. I tried finding one but they couldn't be bothered to put their name where I could see, all I saw was "BP", which seems to be the right place (I looked them up when I got back home and saw a photo of the BP gas station that I had seen.)

    EDIT: I tried to sign it but I'm not sure it worked as it's still showing "1 signed".
  • sephiroth7261sephiroth7261 Posts: 13Member
    Really what we need to do is drive our Indiana representatives crazy, I've already contacted about 10 of them. Imagine having thousands driving them crazy over this, they'd probably do something just to get everyone to shut up.
  • rbaker1009rbaker1009 Posts: 1,194Member
    I empathize with you all in Indiana. I live in California and I thought either us or New York would be the first to do something this ridiculous. Big changes are coming for all states when the FDA regulations come in 2 years. All states will likely be buying from a handful (or couple) of companies and online sales are in question for us all. One thing is for sure, the FDA regulations will add tremendous cost to the surviving companies and we will all be paying substantially more than we do now, on or offline.


    I have been as active as possible to fight against FDA overreach and will continue to. If you told me marijuana would be legal and nicotine would be nearly criminalized even 10 years ago I would not have believed it (not that I have anything against marijuana)
  • sephiroth7261sephiroth7261 Posts: 13Member
    this is true :( the crazy part is they're not even hitting tobacco this hard... there's still plenty of places you can order it online and they don't regulate the awful chemicals they're putting in it... they're going crazy for no reason... they'd rather have people throwing cigarette butts everywhere, etc......?
  • SelcienSelcien Posts: 44Member
    Well, I don't know about you, but I've already placed my first order with an Indiana based retailer, there's another one that has Indiana compliant e-juice that I have bookmarked (I'm not sure if it's okay to post the names of the retailers otherwise I would have.)
  • David1886David1886 Posts: 471Member
    At least you can purchase e-liquid with nicotine in the USA in Australia where I live it is illegal to sell and some states posses but you are allowed to import for personal use as Australian Customs override state laws and allow it to enter the country.
  • sephiroth7261sephiroth7261 Posts: 13Member
    edited August 2016
    Selcien, I'm sure it is, I'd really like to know since I can't get it near me... hopefully eventually I can find something like v2 red... thankfully there's someone 15 miles away that at least has v2 pro tanks and vaporizers.... just no juice :(

    I am still ordering v2 red from a site I found until they stop me lol... I'm holding out as long as I can, I don't want to pay in to their monopoly, so many put out of business in a thriving industry it's ridiculous, that'll help the economy (sarcastic of course)...
  • sephiroth7261sephiroth7261 Posts: 13Member
    That's terrible David, you wouldn't think Austrailia would be so strict....
  • David1886David1886 Posts: 471Member
    edited August 2016
    @sephiroth7261
    That is because the Australia Government want people to keep smoking analog cigarettes because of the tax they earn a packet of analogs cost around $25.00 AUD and that is mostly tax which they are going to increase in a few months. I have been analog free since 2011 first using Green Smoke then found V2 at the start of 2015 and I love my nicotine hit and also a heavy Vapor but am that much healthier without inhaling all the poison in Analog cigarettes.
  • sephiroth7261sephiroth7261 Posts: 13Member
    ^ that's crazy...
  • SelcienSelcien Posts: 44Member
    @sephiroth7261

    Okay. I ordered from Hoosier E-Cig. I ordered two Kanger Subvod Starter Sets as they were only $2.50 more (each) than the price of an EX battery, which, I'm only now realizing, wasn't what I had wanted (I wanted the Kanger Subvod Mega TC Starter sets, larger battery, and has temp control.) Oh well, I'm not sending them back as they were intended to be stop gap devices, and to get my feet wet with sub ohming prior to my Smok Osub coming in.

    What I disliked was that I was asked to review my experience immediately after having submitted my order, it's like, I'm sorry, but let's see how quickly you get the product shipped out, and let's see if you sent me working product. Besides that, I got the order processing email this morning at 8:47, the order shipped email followed at 8:58. I chose USPS Priority 2-4 day shipping ($6.12), the tracking info provides what happens at each step, but doesn't have an estimated time of delivery, I hate that. So, the product was priced cheaply (imo), and shipped quickly, now it's just a matter of seeing how they packaged everything, and whether I get working product.

    The site I have bookmarked for juices is Sir Vapes A Lot. I haven't ordered anything and hadn't planned on order anything any time soon, but I've decided that all of my Black Note (Notebook first and then the bottles of Solo) is going to be used on one of the Kanger sets, the other I'll use my one bottle of Irish Cappuccino. I'm not sure how long one bottle will last so I'll want to get something to follow that, and I'll need something for my Smok Osub. I haven't decided what to get yet.
  • sephiroth7261sephiroth7261 Posts: 13Member
    yea good idea, as of now I'm just stocking up on v2 red... the 50 ml lasts about 2 weeks for me, I'm not in to the flavory stuff lol but I do want to try green tea mint... BTW Indy Vape shop is having a huge sale to get rid of all the juice they can't have now... $2.50 for most bottles :)
  • SelcienSelcien Posts: 44Member
    Did you mean Indy Vapor Shop? The only e-liquid that looked to be on sale was their standard mixes, which didn't interest me. However, their Added Burst Menthol Drops by NicQuid, which wasn't on sale, seemed perfect to me (I don't have to worry about finding a good menthol now, I can pick whatever flavor I want, and add menthol when I need it), so I ordered five bottles of the stuff in the hopes of being able to use it for a very long time to come. It seems that only one drop is needed for a tank, so the question is really just a matter of shelf life. Any idea of how to store it to get the longest shelf life?

    And thanks for pointing me in that direction.  :D
  • sephiroth7261sephiroth7261 Posts: 13Member
    edited August 2016
    I'm not sure, they should all have expiration dates, I think it's usually about 2 years depending on the mix.
  • SelcienSelcien Posts: 44Member
    The Added Burst Menthol Drops are 10 ml bottles of pure menthol, I've tried doing a search on storing menthol liquid with no luck.

    Also, I want to add that I have found one upside to this, ordering from within the state results in faster shipping. I placed my order with Hoosier E-Cig Sunday, it shipped yesterday, and arrived today. I checked the authenticity via Kanger Tech's site and they are authentic. I haven't tried them out yet but the first one I put on charge has just finished charging.
  • SelcienSelcien Posts: 44Member
    Figured I'd post an update.

    I've tried seven of Sir Vapes A Lot's ten flavors (Strawberry Cheesecake, Lemon Cheesecake, Creme De Bleu, Grammy's Cookies, Sweet Mississippi, The Mistress, and Crystal Blue) and I'm still not being able to pick up on the flavor that well, but at this point I'm thinking that the problem is me. I do like the price though as it's the cheapest that I've found so far (that I can buy, found a site that sells really large bottles of juice but they can't ship to Indiana.)

    Also bought a coffee flavor from a local shop (Victory Vapes), the juice smells like coffee, tastes like it although I don't particularly care for it, the really bad part is that the expelled vapor smells like cat piss (just as an fyi, none of the Sir Vapes A Lot flavors I've tried have bad smelling vapor). The bottling seemed rather amateurish but I liked that it was a plastic squeeze bottle (I'm finding that I hate the stupid eye dropper thingy as it's ridiculous to load up a tank with one), and the price was okay, $20 with tax.

    Also found a decent selection of juice at a discount cigarette retailer but the woman that works there thinks that almost none of it will be restocked once sold, so who knows what I'll be able to find there later on. I did pick up a bottle of Cosmic Fog's Kryptonite. Not sure what to think of it, the juice kinda smells like cough syrup to me (but I do like the smell), can't even begin to describe the flavor or expelled vapor smell though, nothing bad like cat piss though, basically, it's a "I don't know.". What I definitely do not like is the price ($24.50 with tax) and that the juice is thick enough that it was very difficult to get it into my new tank (Freemax Starre Pure).

    So the hunt for juice continues.
  • SelcienSelcien Posts: 44Member
    Don't get your hopes up but I just found some good news for a change.

    https://shopmvg.com/blogs/news/federal-judge-finds-indiana-vaping-law-unconstitutional-but-the-fight-continues

    Article is dated August 22, 2016.
  • SelcienSelcien Posts: 44Member
    Does anyone know what has changed in Indiana? I haven't been paying attention to vaping, had gone back to smoking my Newports. This week, saw a guy at work vaping on break, made me curious, checked V2's shipping section, and Indiana is no longer included as being one of the obnoxious states preventing purchase from V2. Naturally placed an order for two bottles of their menthol (Black Note's Solo didn't cut it for me, it's a mint, not a menthol). Really surprised that they had a VG version too. Also took advantage of the opportunity to place an order with another site that I had wanted to try, really cheap, hopefully good, but fruit flavors, so no replacement for V2's menthol.
  • samanthasamantha Posts: 3,249Administrator, Moderator admin
    Hey there @Selcien
    Yes, we have added lots of new eliquids and products over the past 1-2 years. Glad to have you back! I am going to look into the Indiana inquiry. I know our legal and/or logistics/shipping team will have more insight into your question. We are just as glad as you to be able to provide vapor products to the good folks in Indiana. :) 

    Let me know how your eliquids perform... if you have any questions or inquiries, feel free to reach out to me anytime. I'm here to help. :)
  • SelcienSelcien Posts: 44Member
    @samantha

    Thanks for the response. I did find an article that explains what happened.

    https://www.r2bsmokefree.org/2017/04/26/new-e-liquid-law-in-indiana/

    It looks like it was "simply" a matter of Indiana being forced to remove the nasty parts of it's regulation.

    As for how the juices perform, I'm pretty sure you weren't talking about the budget juices bought from a different site but I'll include them. One of them I can't stand at all, doesn't even smell good to me, and I'm sure that if I try to vape it any more that it'll make me sick (vomit). The thing that I find interesting about that flavor is that I gave that guy that I saw vaping at work 30ml unicorn bottles of each flavor, and he said that the one that I didn't like tasted like skittles to him. That just goes to show how different opinions can be on the same juice. The other one smells fine and has a hint of a berry taste, which is actually promising as I've had a hard time getting flavors from a VG prominent juice, and these two are 80VG/20PG.

    As for the V2 VG Menthol, the dispensing tip is too narrow for the juice, it barely wanted to drip out. Wasn't really a problem though since I do have unicorn bottles and pipettes, so I popped off the dispensing tip, and transferred to a unicorn bottle, well, 30 ml anyway since that's all that would fit.

    As far as the flavor goes, the menthol does seem to be a bit muted to me, and I think it's due to being a VG juice. It's what I needed to order at the time as the two tanks that I had were both DTL, but I've gotten a MTL tank since placing that order, and have two more ordered, so a PG dominant juice is now something that I can consider.

    The current V2 order that I'm waiting on (currently scheduled to be delivered Tuesday) is of particular interest to me. I got a bottle of V2 Platinum Pumpkin Spice, V2 Platinum Peppermint Bark, Charlies Sea Salt Caramel Ice Cream, and Charlies Head Bangin Boogie. Should be a good order to help me determine whether I should even be bothering with a VG dominant juice. Once I get the PG/VG thing figured out then I can start working on getting the nicotine level dialed in.
  • samanthasamantha Posts: 3,249Administrator, Moderator admin
    I love our Pumpkin Spice - I hope you enjoy it. If you need me to look into your order, pls let me know and provide the order #. And yes, figuring out flavor, nicotine preferences takes a little time and patience but once you figure it out, vaping will be that much more enjoyable. Pls let me know if you need anything or have any Q's.
  • SelcienSelcien Posts: 44Member
    @samantha

    Sorry for taking so long to get back to you but I figured that I should spend some time actually using what I've purchased before expressing any more opinions.

    First off, no, I don't need you to look into any of my orders.

    As far as my experience with the first bottle of V2 VG menthol, I was not able to try the dispensing tip again as I had clipped it off with a pair of scissors, but I have done multiple fills with the second bottle. It's pretty obvious to me that the first fill attempt went as poorly as it did because of inexperience with filling the tank, as well as inexperience with the juice bottle. Finger tip squeezes don't work well on the juice bottle so I have to use a firmer squeeze. I think that the issue is that the VG bottles use the same dispensing tip as the PG bottles, but with VG being thicker it has a harder time getting through the dispensing tip. All the same, I would call this a personal annoyance rather than a packaging problem, much like how I dislike juice being put into glass bottles as I strongly dislike having to use those stupid glass eye droppers to fill a tank.

    As for the V2 VG Menthol itself, I've used it mixed with Black Note Solo (0mg nicotine as I used up all of the bottles that had nicotine back in 2016), and by itself. Sometimes it's okay, sometimes not. I won't say that it's bad because I don't think it is, it's just not something that I'm happy with. I will use all of it, so it's not going to go to waste, just not going to order more. On the plus side V2 does have a really good selection of menthol juices to choose from, and I'm currently waiting on a bottle of V2 Menthol (the PG version), V2 Bold Leaf Menthol, and Brewell Tobacco Series Ice to arrive (currently scheduled to be delivered this Wednesday). I'd be very very surprised if none of them worked for me but if that's the case there are still other options on V2 for me to try. Of course, I do like to point out that even with not being happy with the menthol it is still doing what it needs to do. Bought a pack of Newports yesterday, have only smoked four of them, and I find smoking them to be more and more underwhelming.

    As far as flavor goes, not including menthol. I've found that one of my DTL tanks is not good at flavor, at least not at the wattages that I use. The other DTL tank I have can produce a strong flavor but only with the "flavor ring" (silicone ring) installed in the coil, but that "flavor ring" also results in the juice not being completely vaporized so I'm getting trace amounts of juice in my mouth, and that, I think, is why the flavor is so strong (I've been primarily using Charlies Head Bangin Boogie but I have done several fills of Charlies Sea Salt Caramel Ice Cream with that tank, the caramel is really strong). My three new tanks fall somewhere in between and are a bit inconsistent, but I'm thinking that's user error. What I've found is that even strong/good flavor doesn't really do anything for me, it's nice, but I think that at this point in time that flavor chasing would be as pointless for me as cloud chasing.

    So, I'd think that it's pretty simple from here. Find a menthol that I'm happy with, dial in the nicotine level, use other flavors just to mix things up, vape for a while, and then see where I'm at.
  • samanthasamantha Posts: 3,249Administrator, Moderator admin
    No worries @Selcien - great feedback that is typical of new vapers. Don't feel discouraged. I can't recall what vapor device you are using - but if you are using any V2 Pro vaporizers, you can use our brand new pre-filled Pods. You get the same vapor experience without all the mess of filling carts with eliquid. Check them out here - they are available in menthol and red right now in 3 packs: https://www.v2.com/cartridges/pro-pods-3pk

    Perhaps they will help make your vaping process easier and less of a hassle :P 

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